Chief Batchelor. I believe Chief Lumpkin came in the office at the time this discussion was going on, and I went into my office and called Mr. Fleming at his home. I had to do a little search in the city directory to see who was in charge of the Armored Motor Car Service. I called him at his home.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know what time that was?

Chief Batchelor. It must have been around 9 o’clock or shortly after.

Mr. Hubert. Did you tell him what time you wanted the equipment on hand?

Chief Batchelor. No; it was actually close to 10:30 when he finally called me back and said he had the equipment ready and was bringing it downtown, but I didn’t tell him any definite time, that I recall. In other words, I didn’t say we are going to move him at a certain hour. I told him we were ready to move.

Mr. Hubert. In other words, you told him to get the equipment there and would use it when you had occasion to use it?

Chief Batchelor. That’s right.

Mr. Hubert. At that time when you called him, as a matter of fact, was the time of the transfer set?

Chief Batchelor. There never was a definite time set for his transfer. Even though the press announced that he would be moved at 10 o’clock, there was never an announcement made that he would be moved at 10 o’clock, that I recall.

The thing that was said was that if the press were there by 10 o’clock, we thought it would be ample, that they wouldn’t miss anything.