Mr. Hubert. But there is a corridor?

Mr. Crull. Yes; at that time the press had almost taken over. These were the visiting press. Our local press had been pushed off to one side, and the visitors who had made the trip here with the press, plus the television people, had flooded the third-floor corridors.

The chief’s office—the television people had opened the switchboard on the corridor and their technicians had attached their equipment to the electrical system, and they were pretty well set up. I do not know, but I assume that all this happened while all the top men in the department were out on the job. There was no reason for top-level people being in the police department headquarters during the time of the Kennedy visit. They each had other assignments.

Mr. Hubert. When you went there and saw the condition you just described, what time was it, about?

Mr. Crull. I guess I would say it was about 3:30 in the afternoon.

Mr. Hubert. Did you see any of the top officers of the police department there on the third floor when you arrived?

Mr. Crull. I can’t remember specifically. Later that afternoon, I talked to Chief Curry when he did return.

Mr. Hubert. Where did that conversation take place?

Mr. Crull. In his office in the police department.

Mr. Hubert. How long after your return?