I want to say this in fairness to the chief. As we started to leave, he told me that the people were moved across the street, and the other people were back of the railing, and I think he thought they were. I think someone must have changed his order down there. We first called down and they told us everything was all right. One of my officers called on the telephone, before we went down to the jail. I kept my officers back in the jail until I asked two officers outside the jail if the security was good, and they said it was all right. But when we walked out, they climbed over my car and we met the crowd and the officers coming forward.
Mr. Hubert. Was that before the shooting?
Captain Fritz. Almost simultaneous. We had already gotten out of the jail door when the shooting happened. We were only a few feet out into the basement.
Mr. Hubert. As I understand it then, after you came out of the jail door and walked down the corridor to the car, there was a general surge?
Captain Fritz. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Six or five feet?
Captain Fritz. Probably as far as far as from here to that door.
Mr. Hubert. That was about 8 or 9 feet?
Captain Fritz. Well, I don’t think, any more than that, probably. We probably have the measurements.
Mr. Hubert. The fact is that as soon as you began to come out, the whole crowd surged forward?