Mr. Hall. I am not sure whether Fleming got a hold of Chief Batchelor or not. I think it was to determine if one of the smaller trucks would be acceptable.

Mr. Hubert. What was decided upon. What actually happened?

Mr. Hall. The impression we received was that the larger truck would have to be the one used.

Mr. Hubert. Did more than one truck go?

Mr. Hall. Yes, sir; I decided to have the smaller truck accompany the larger truck as a standby. This procedure we use in all cases of tension for double protection. We frequently send two vehicles when one would be sufficient to handle the load.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know when you left the terminal with the two trucks?

Mr. Hall. Approximately 10:50—10:45 or 10:50.

Mr. Hubert. Would you estimate that between 15 and 20 minutes between the time all four of you were there until the two-vehicle convoy proceeded to the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. Hall. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Now who was driving the larger truck?