Mr. Griffin. When did you first become aware that Marty was——
Mr. Rubenstein. I don’t remember.
Mr. Griffin. Did you know Marty in Chicago?
Mr. Rubenstein. I knew of him. Probably met him once or twice at the house.
Mr. Griffin. Do you know when he went to Texas?
Mr. Rubenstein. No. Leave me tell you about Dallas, Tex. I mean anybody that Jack knew when Jack came up to Chicago maybe once every 4 or 5 years. “Come down to Dallas, I have got a proposition for you.” “Come down to Dallas, I have a proposition for you.” Everybody he wanted to come down that he wanted to have a friend down there, that was the kind of a guy he was, or else have a place for him to stay, he probably would have a job for them, or if a proposition come up that this fellow could handle Jack would fix him up for it. That was the kind of guy Jack was; you never go hungry with Jack.
Mr. Griffin. Did you know a fellow in Chicago named Frank Howard?
Mr. Rubenstein. No; never heard the name.
Mr. Griffin. Jack Howard?
Mr. Rubenstein. The musicman?