Mr. Knight. Duncan I think had actually talked to Wade on the air about 20 minutes or so but didn’t get what he wanted and didn’t get it on tape for the early morning newscast. In other words, he wanted me to go over and get another interview with a special little tape recorder for the early morning newscast.

Mr. Griffin. Before you went over there, did Duncan tell you anything about having talked to Jack Ruby?

Mr. Knight. No, no. Ruby had called but this is later on in the story.

Mr. Griffin. All right. Go ahead. Then tell us what happened.

Mr. Knight. I went over to the courthouse, arriving there approximately 1 a.m. It could be 10 before, 10 after, 15 after. I didn’t get to see Wade. I looked for him and I couldn’t find him, went to the second floor, came back, down to the main floor. There on the main floor I encountered Jack Ruby.

Mr. Griffin. Whereabouts was he on the main floor?

Mr. Knight. He was near the entrance and I was getting ready to leave and he was hanging around the entrance talking to other people, and he saw me and recognized me. And I——

Mr. Griffin. Let me interrupt you and ask you, by the main floor do you mean the floor on which the assembly room and records room are located, or do you mean the floor above that?

Mr. Knight. No; I mean the main entrance, right near the entrance right off the street.

Mr. Griffin. Oh. As you walk in off the street you can either walk up or down but you can’t walk straight into the police department?