Mr. Rubenstein. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Tell us about your contact with Jack?
Mr. Rubenstein. In the fall of 1963. Let me tell you when the first time was. He called me on the phone, the records you get from the telephone company, and he is going to send me up—he wanted me to come down and become his manager of the Carousel Club.
Mr. Griffin. When was this?
Mr. Rubenstein. In the fall, sometime in the fall of 1963 and he also told me in 1962 he wanted me to come down——
Mr. Griffin. Let’s talk about this being the manager first before we get into the other thing.
Mr. Rubenstein. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Why did he need a manager?
Mr. Rubenstein. He wanted someone in the family to run the place.
Mr. Griffin. What was he going to do?