Mrs. Kaminsky. After the President—after, I guess, it was announced that he had died.

Mr. Griffin. Well now, the telephone records we have assembled indicate that he called you about 2 o’clock Dallas time which is—I guess it would be around 3 o’clock Chicago time.

Mrs. Kaminsky. Oh, yes. I didn’t know exactly, but when the FBI questioned me, they thought it might be anywhere from 1:30 to 3 o’clock.

Mr. Griffin. You remember that telephone call?

Mrs. Kaminsky. Yes, I do, very well.

Mr. Griffin. Tell us—tell us how this call went. Jack—you picked up the phone and there was Jack.

Mrs. Kaminsky. That’s right.

Mr. Griffin. What did he say and what did you say?

Mrs. Kaminsky. He was crying to start off with. He said—he said, “Did you hear the awful news?”

And I said, “Yes,” and he said, “Oh, my God, oh, my God.”