He said, “It is the porter. There is another call for me. Alice returned my call.” Alice Nichols is her name. I guess he said, “I’d call her at a time like that.” He wanted to talk to people, you know.
Mr. Griffin. Yes.
Mrs. Kaminsky. And so I didn’t keep him on the phone too long but his voice was, you know, breaking all the time. Of course, I was—I was no help because I was in the same—I felt terrible myself, you know.
And that night, I don’t remember whether I called my sister Eva’s apartment or she called me. We never did get it straight, but we did speak to one another, and I did ask for Jack and she said, “Well, he is at the temple. He went to temple that night,” and I believe he also called my oldest brother that night, too.
Mr. Griffin. Well, was Jack supposed—were you going to call back for the purpose of talking to Jack or for the purpose of talking to Eva?
Mrs. Kaminsky. Well, I was going to talk to both of them. I figured he would be at her apartment that night and I could talk to both of them but as it happened, she said he left earlier to go to the temple.
Mr. Griffin. Did you suggest to him in any way that he ought to take care of Eva or go over to see her?
Mrs. Kaminsky. Well, yes; because I said—well I, you know, naturally, we both knew she had had the surgery.
As a matter of fact, she told us that while she was in the hospital, he came 15 times in 6 days and a woman, either in the next room or the next bed, said, “Your doctor has been here again.”
She says, “Yes, he has.” She never let on that Jack was her brother because, you know, having a nightclub, he would come in at irregular hours. So, yes; I felt he should stay with Eva because I figured——