Mr. Fehrenbach. Herb and Morton Pazol had talked to me. They hadn’t said too much but they had talked to me at times.

Mr. Griffin. Who else?

Mr. Fehrenbach. And Lawson Jaffe; and then Shuster.

Mr. Griffin. What is Shuster’s first name?

Mr. Fehrenbach. This I can’t remember.

Mr. Griffin. What did he do for a living?

Mr. Fehrenbach. He had a Shuster’s Clothing.

Mr. Griffin. Anybody else that you can think of?

Mr. Fehrenbach. Well now, those were the only ones there in Muncie, Ind. Now, there were several of them that used to come from Chicago.

Mr. Griffin. Before we get to that let’s stay with the people in Muncie.