Mr. Griffin. How did that happen?

Mr. Rubenstein. I don’t know. Something about chop suey. I wasn’t there. He popped my own sister on the nose. That is the kind of a guy he was, something quick, something broke in him and he hit her, hit her right in the nose, which isn’t like our family.

Mr. Griffin. So when you say he wouldn’t hurt anybody, what do you mean by that?

Mr. Rubenstein. I mean he wouldn’t go out of the way and start a fight. I mean he wouldn’t just pick a fight on the street.

Mr. Griffin. He did fight with people on the street?

Mr. Rubenstein. Oh, yes; oh, sure—sure. That is because they were doing something to, something to hurt him.

Mr. Griffin. Or at least he felt they did?

Mr. Rubenstein. That is right. He wouldn’t start anything. Let’s put it that way. He wouldn’t start anything. He would let the other guy start it. That would be the end.

Mr. Griffin. Well, when you say he wouldn’t start anything, he sometimes would strike the first blow, wouldn’t he? He didn’t wait for the other guy to hit him?

Mr. Rubenstein. That is true. But there must have been cause to lead up to it.