Mr. Fehrenbach. To the best of my knowledge, as I say, I can’t place the name. He is very familiar but it seems to me he has been up there, it is not anybody that lived around Muncie that I remember of. But apparently it must have been one who came from Chicago. He is quite familiar. But she is not too familiar though, and yet it seems like I have seen her sometime, somewhere. But he is quite familiar but I can’t put a name on him. But it is definitely not the one I remember as Jack Rubenstein.

Mr. Griffin. Do you remember a person by the name of Harold Sugerman?

Mr. Fehrenbach. No.

Mr. Griffin. Do you remember a man by the name of Irwin Berkstead?

Mr. Fehrenbach. The name is familiar but I can’t associate it. I can’t remember ever meeting the man. It seems the name, like I say, it seems like I heard of it but I couldn’t say where.

Mr. Griffin. Did you ever have any other difficulties with Sam Jaffe other than in connection with the list?

Mr. Fehrenbach. No. I think possibly Sam was a little unhappy with me when I quit because I had quit and tried to start a shop of my own. Several of the jewelry stores around had asked me if I wouldn’t start a shop up and do their work for them because they were a little unhappy with Sam because he had started a retail store up and he was a competitor and Sam always seemed like he was always very friendly but it seemed he was not the same Mr. Jaffe I had worked with before.

Mr. Griffin. Did he ever accuse you of anything other than taking that list?

Mr. Fehrenbach. And he never accused me of taking that either.

Mr. Griffin. Did he ever accuse you of taking a bracelet or any jewelry?