Mrs. Grant. Seems to me that it was later.
Mr. Griffin. Which was later, the call to the synagogue?
Mrs. Grant. It seems to me the call to the synagogue was later.
Mr. Griffin. The next thing you remember his doing is talking to Alice Nichols?
Mrs. Grant. Let me explain this, Mr. Griffin. Did you ever feel—this girl and him, there had been a very fine relationship, respectable, but I have noticed in the past, and I think I have heard this name for 15 years, and in this time they were engaged—that during tragic days or something very exhilarating, he called Alice Nichols. And when my brother talked to her, it is sort of a secret. He took the phone into the bedroom, and I had all reason to believe, and believe me I did not hear anything mentioned like “Alice,” or “Dear,” or “Honey.” I had a feeling he was talking to Alice Nichols.
Mr. Griffin. What made you feel that?
Mrs. Grant. I couldn’t help it. There was something about when he talked to her.
Mr. Griffin. Did you hear anything that was said in that conversation?
Mrs. Grant. I don’t know whether this is in the back of my mind or knowing him, or whether I actually heard him saying something to her, but I have all reason to believe that was the first call, because he jumped up from his eating, I told you, for each call, and as it was, he didn’t eat. He ate less than a third than he normally eats. I don’t know if I am imagining this. I mean this is a terrible thing to say, but there was something in his voice, or I may have heard, at least it is in the back of my mind, that he talked to her. I may have even heard her name, but I don’t want to say. Later on that same night we talked about her, and this is what bothers me. Whether it is in the back of my mind he told me that, or did I hear him say, “Alice, it is Jack.”
Mr. Griffin. Did you hear him make some telephone calls about going to the synagogue?