Mr. W. Do you believe in having these things now? Why one of the principal reasons that I have never joined any religious body is, that I could read in the Bible of these great and glorious gifts being enjoyed in ancient times, and I could not find any people who contended for these things now. I have expressed my thoughts on these subjects to Mr. Clarke, and his wife, and his brother, but they all declare that these blessings were only given for the establishment of Christianity, and that they, not being intended to continue upon the earth, are not now given, and, indeed, are not now needed. But I could never see the reason for this. I could see in the Bible no reason why men should not obtain these blessings now as anciently. In fact, I think the Bible decidedly encourages all men to seek after these things, for Paul says, "The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." And we are well aware that salvation is just the same thing now as anciently. Men have now the same weakness to overcome, the same temptations to resist, the same devil to oppose them, and the same end to obtain as in the days of the Apostles. And why should men now not have the same blessings from the hands of the Lord to assist them in obtaining salvation, as the primitive Christians had to assist them? It is certain that either God has changed, or men have degenerated and become unworthy of such distinguished blessings as the early Christians enjoyed. But I am pleased to find that you believe in obtaining these blessings, I shall be happy to listen further to your views of the matter. I am becoming much interested in your doctrines.
Elder B. I am aware that the popular cry is that the gifts and blessings of the Holy Ghost are "done away, and no longer needed." We know they are done away, because men do not seek them, and the ancient Saints sought them earnestly. Indeed it would be marvellous for the Lord to give these blessings to men when they do not care for them, and when they think them unnecessary. He is not so prodigal of the choice gifts of His Holy Spirit. He does not cast his pearls before swine. His Spirit does not always strive with men. When they do not wish to serve Him, He gives them up to the imagination of their own hearts, to walk in their own ways. This is the cause of all the divisions in the religious world. But where is the first Scripture that says, or even hints, that the gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit were not intended for men until they become perfect? Not a single text of this description can be found between the lids of the Bible, but the whole tenor of the Book teaches to the contrary. Jesus Christ said that the signs Or gifts should follow those who believed.—Mark xvi. 17. He also said that the Comforter—the Holy Ghost, should abide with his disciples for ever.—John xiv. 16. Jesus also said that his Father would give His Holy Spirit to all them that asked Him.—Luke xi. 13. Peter said that God gave the Holy Ghost to all that obeyed Him.—Acts v. 32. On the day of Pentecost, Peter declared that the promise of the Holy Ghost was for the people before him, for their children, for all that were afar off, even as many as the Lord should call.—Acts ii. 39. Paul continually exhorted all Saints to seek diligently after the gifts of the Spirit, for he would not have his brethren ignorant of them, but to covet earnestly the best gifts.—1 Cor. xii. xiii. xiv. Solomon said, "Where there is no vision the people perish."—Proverbs xxix. 18. Joel prophesied that the Spirit of the Lord should be poured out most abundantly in the last days, the sons and daughters should prophesy, the old men should dream dreams, and the young men should see visions, and even upon the servants and handmaids, should the Spirit be bestowed, indeed the promise is that it should be poured out upon all flesh.—Joel ii. 28, 29. That does not look like the gifts being done away and no longer needed. It is true, Peter said that the out-pouring on the day of Pentecost was in fulfilment of Joel's prophecy, but that occasion did not fully fulfil the terms of the prophecy, for very few received the Holy Spirit then, not all flesh. A more full and complete fulfilment yet awaits the prediction, and the time when will be discovered by reading the whole of the chapter—just about the second advent of the Redeemer.
Mr. W. But is it necessary to have laid hands upon one, in order to receive the Holy Ghost?
Elder B. Laying on of hands is the ordinance appointed of God for the imparting of the Holy Ghost.—Acts viii. 17-20., xix. 6. Heb. vi. 2.
Mr. W. Did not Cornelius receive it without the laying on of hands, and even before he was baptized?
Elder B. Cornelius was a Gentile. The Holy Ghost was poured out upon him and his household previous to baptism and the laying on of hands, to convince the Jews that the Gentiles were entitled to the blessings of the Gospel. Cornelius and his household were then baptized. Doubtless the gift of tongues was only imparted to them for the time being, as has been the case with persons in our day, before baptism and the laying on of hands. It is reasonable to believe that, after Cornelius and his household were baptized, Peter laid his hands upon them, as he did upon other disciples. Such a course would be pursued by the Latter-day Saints now in similar cases.
Mr. W. But do the Latter-day Saints actually obtain these gifts?
Elder B. Yes, some have the gift of tongues, some of interpretation of tongues, others have dreams, visions, and revelations, whilst many have been miraculously healed by the power of God.
Mr. W. Well, really my bosom burns to hear it. [Looking at his watch.] But I am sorry to say that my time has expired. I have some particular business to attend to just now. Would you wait and take dinner with us. I can spare a little more time after dinner.
Elder B. I am obliged to you, but I have several places to call at this morning, and it will be inconvenient for me to stay with you to-day. However, I will call upon you this day week, and give you any further information you may wish.