Clement—Formerly shot was allowed for that purpose; there used to be threescore weight of iron, but now it is a bag of ballast that is made fast to them.

Jones—Then, you take it for a certain rule, that those that are drowned sink, but those that are thrown overboard do not?

Clement—Yes; otherwise why should the government be at that vast charge to allow threescore or fourscore weight of iron to sink every man, but only that their swimming about should not be a discouragement to others?

Then Richard Gin was sworn.

Jones—You hear the question; pray what do you say to it?

Gin—I was at sea a great while, and all the men that I see turned overboard had a great weight at their heels to sink them.

Jones—Then will they swim otherwise?

Gin—So they say.

Jones—Are you a seaman?

Gin—I went against my will in two fights.