DR. SAUTER: Then at that time you lived in Austria?
HÖLLRIEGEL: Yes, in Graz.
DR. SAUTER: Then I should be interested in a certain point in regard to the Defendant Von Schirach. You saw the Defendant Von Schirach at Mauthausen. How often did you see him there?
HÖLLRIEGEL: I can remember quite clearly—once.
DR. SAUTER: Once?
HÖLLRIEGEL: Yes.
DR. SAUTER: Was Von Schirach alone at Mauthausen, or was he together with other people?
HÖLLRIEGEL: No. Von Schirach was accompanied by other gentlemen. There was a group of about 10 people, and among them I recognized Von Schirach and Gauleiter Uiberreither.
DR. SAUTER: There are supposed to have been 20 persons at least and not 10 on that occasion.
HÖLLRIEGEL: I did not know at that time that I might have to use these figures; I did not count them.