THE PRESIDENT: That is not a direct answer to the question. The question was that you said some members of the government were more radical toward Jews than you were. Would you tell us which of the members of the government were more radical than you were?
GÖRING: Excuse me, I did not understand the question to mean who were more radical, but in what way they were more radical. If you ask who, then I would say that those were primarily Minister Goebbels and Himmler.
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Do you also include your co-defendant, Streicher, as more radical than you?
GÖRING: Yes, but he was not a member of the government.
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: He was the Gauleiter, was he not, for this very territory in which we are sitting.
GÖRING: That is correct; but he had very little or no influence on government measures.
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: What about Heydrich?
GÖRING: Heydrich was subordinate to Himmler. If I said Himmler, I, of course, include Heydrich.
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Heydrich is then included in the list of the more radical ones to whom you refer?
GÖRING: That is right; yes.