Will you now deal with the question that I put to you on the Defendant Frank? You say he is not a friend of yours?
LAMMERS: I did not know him particularly well, and I had no closer relation to him than with any of the other people in the Reich Government.
MAJOR JONES: Would it be right to say, like yourself, he was one of the leading Nazi jurists?
LAMMERS: Well, I never really thought of myself as a leading National Socialist jurist.
MAJOR JONES: Are you saying that you were not a leading jurist, or that you were not a National Socialist?
LAMMERS: I considered myself in the first place as a lawyer, an expert on constitutional law, which I have been for many years, in fact, since the year 1920 and under other governments; then I joined the National Socialist Party and naturally in my position in the National Socialist State, I made every effort to propagate the National Socialist idea of law.
MAJOR JONES: And you have said that so far as Hans Frank was concerned, he was a jurist who opposed the arbitrary use of power by the Police.
LAMMERS: He did that in some of his speeches; and the Führer did not approve of these speeches.
MAJOR JONES: He was a man who believed in fair trials, was he?
LAMMERS: What kind of trials do you mean? I cannot hear you; there is such noise.