DR. RUDOLF MERKEL (Counsel for Gestapo): I have some questions to put to the witness.
Witness, the Indictment contends that the Secret State Police in the years 1943 to 1945 had about 40,000 to 50,000 members. What can you remember about this?
KALTENBRUNNER: I believe that this figure is slightly too high.
DR. MERKEL: What do you estimate the figure was?
KALTENBRUNNER: I would rather assume 35,000 to 40,000.
DR. MERKEL: Approximately how many Gestapo officials were active in the occupied countries?
KALTENBRUNNER: That I cannot tell you even approximately, but I believe I have heard a figure of 800 people, for example, for the occupied region in France.
DR. MERKEL: Do you know to whom these officials in the occupied countries were subordinate?
KALTENBRUNNER: In the occupied countries, to the commander of the Security Police, who in turn was subordinate to the Higher SS and Police Leader of the occupied territory.
DR. MERKEL: Do you know at all whether in the offices of the commanders of the Sipo and SD, Kripo officials, that is, officials of the Criminal Police, were carrying out tasks of a state political nature?