DR. MERKEL: What happened to the members of the State Police who at interrogations committed excesses or trespassed on foreign property?
KALTENBRUNNER: The same rules were followed which applied to all organizations subordinate to Himmler. They had their own SS and Police courts. In one sentence I may characterize this system by stating that the penalties were much more severe than in a civil court.
DR. MERKEL: A certain man has asserted that for an offense of taking away a few unimportant things from a prisoner, he had to serve a long period in the penitentiary. Was that the ordinarily normal and just punishment?
KALTENBRUNNER: Yes.
DR. MERKEL: Do you know who was taken to the SS Concentration Camp Danzig-Matzkau?
KALTENBRUNNER: Anyone who had been sentenced to imprisonment by SS and Police courts was put into the Danzig-Matzkau SS Concentration Camp, which was called an SS punishment camp rather than a concentration camp.
DR. MERKEL: Could a Gestapo member, especially of a higher rank, visit a concentration camp?
KALTENBRUNNER: Only with the express approval of Pohl or Glücks.
DR. MERKEL: Is that also true of the Higher SS and Police Leaders for the camps which were situated within their districts?
KALTENBRUNNER: I could not say that with certainty. In any case, I assume they also applied or had to apply to make these visits.