THE PRESIDENT: Colonel Amen, I suppose the defendant wants to say something about these other documents. He had answered the one, had he not?
COL. AMEN: I do not know whether he had finished, Your Lordship.
THE PRESIDENT: [Turning to the defendant.] Had you finished with the affidavit or the statement of Karwinsky?
KALTENBRUNNER: Your Lordship, not quite.
THE PRESIDENT: Go on then.
KALTENBRUNNER: I have no longer the document before me and I request that it be given back to me. May I please ask you to return the document to me?
COL. AMEN: Yes, it is coming.
[The document was submitted to the defendant.]
KALTENBRUNNER: This document has not been shown to me during previous interrogations before the Trial. Otherwise, I would have immediately answered with a request that the cousin of the witness Karwinsky, who was chief of the Social Insurance Department at Linz and who bears the same name, be called as a witness and be asked whether it is correct that he expressly told me that this Karwinsky was detained at Dachau and never at Mauthausen. May I add that the witness Dr. Skubl, who will appear before the Tribunal in another matter, can probably make a statement on the same matter, particularly regarding the fact that this witness Karwinsky was arrested near the Swiss border when he escaped after the Anschluss and that he was taken from there to Dachau.
The reason he was taken to Dachau is not exactly known to me, but Dr. Skubl will be able to give information on that subject, presumably to the effect that the intention was to prevent any intervention from Austria in connection with this former member of the Austrian Government, since Himmler was of the opinion that something might be attempted by the new Austrian Government in favor of Karwinsky.