THE PRESIDENT: Defendant, you are not here to argue your case now; you are here to answer questions.

COL. AMEN: Defendant, you testified, did you not, that you first acquired knowledge of the case of the British fliers who escaped from Stalag Luft III in March of 1944, some 6 weeks after the escape occurred; is that not correct?

KALTENBRUNNER: Yes, now I assume it was about 6 weeks afterwards; at any rate, it was just when, in consequence of the speech in the House of Commons, the Foreign Office took a stand. The department chiefs turned to me, but I in turn sent them to Himmler.

COL. AMEN: But when you were interrogated about this matter before the Trial, you testified as follows, did you not?

“Question: ‘You remember the case of the 80 British fliers who escaped from Stalag Luft III, which took place in March ’44?’

“Answer: ‘That case is unknown to me.’

“Question: ‘General Westhoff attempted to find out from the Gestapo what had happened to these men.’

“Answer: ‘If he had negotiations with the Gestapo, he did not negotiate with me.’

“Question: ‘What do you say about the general proposition that escaped prisoners were turned over to the Gestapo?’

“Answer: ‘Such cases are not known to me.’ ”