WAGNER: I did not understand who gave this testimony.
COL. PHILLIMORE: The witness Heisig, when he gave evidence here in Court. So that whether or not he was deceived, as you suggest, before he gave his affidavit, he at least knew the true facts before he gave evidence here to the Tribunal?
WAGNER: Then he told an untruth to me.
COL. PHILLIMORE: Now, I want to ask you one question on the order of 17 September 1942. That is the order that you say you monitored in the naval war staff and saw nothing wrong with it. Did the Defendant Raeder see that order?
WAGNER: That I cannot say with certainty.
COL. PHILLIMORE: You were Chief of Staff Operations at that time?
WAGNER: Yes, but one cannot expect me to remember every incident in 6 years of war.
COL. PHILLIMORE: Oh, no, but this was an important order, was it not?
WAGNER: Certainly, but there were many important orders in the course of 6 years.
COL. PHILLIMORE: Would you normally show an important operational order to the Commander-in-Chief?