SAUCKEL: All these measures are clearly in contradiction to the directives and instructions which I issued and which have been submitted here in large numbers, and to these I must refer. These are methods against which, when I heard as much as hints of them, I took very severe measures.
DR. SERVATIUS: And who bears the immediate responsibility for such incidents?
SAUCKEL: The responsibility for such incidents rests with the local authorities which did these things.
DR. SERVATIUS: Were there any other offices besides the local authorities which dealt with recruitment of labor?
SAUCKEL: That is exactly what I was fighting for from the very beginning—to eliminate and combat the intricate maze of offices which, without restraint or control, recruited workers by compulsion. That was part of my job.
DR. SERVATIUS: What kind of offices were they? Local offices?
SAUCKEL: They were offices of all kinds. I myself heard about most of them only here.
DR. SERVATIUS: What was the situation with regard to the Todt Organization?
SAUCKEL: The Todt Organization for a long time recruited and used manpower independently in all territories.
DR. SERVATIUS: Did the labor service have anything to do with that?