SAUCKEL: Only in the case of serious offenses. It says “in serious cases” in the document. That was the demand imposed on me.
M. HERZOG: At what period did you learn about the atrocities which were committed in concentration camps?
SAUCKEL: I can say with a good conscience that I gained knowledge here of the cruelties which were committed in the concentration camps; after the collapse of the Reich.
M. HERZOG: Do you think that it was the same with all the Hitlerite chiefs?
SAUCKEL: I cannot speak for the others. I myself did not know of such measures, which I abhor and which I only learned of here.
M. HERZOG: Do you think that the Reichsführer SS Himmler, for example, was aware of the atrocities which were committed in the concentration camps?
SAUCKEL: I cannot say whether the Reichsführer SS knew of them, whether he himself instigated them. During the whole of my career I hardly ever spoke to the Reichsführer SS because our personal relations were rather strained.
M. HERZOG: During the interrogation by your counsel yesterday you declared that you once visited the concentration camp of Buchenwald; did you not?
SAUCKEL: Yes, in 1937 or 1938. I cannot tell you that from memory now.
M. HERZOG: You declared you made this visit in the company of an Italian commission, did you not?