WIMMER: Yes.
M. DEBENEST: Did he dismiss any secretaries general who had not asked to resign?
WIMMER: There was only one exception, that of Secretary General Spitzen. That was the Secretary General to the Ministry of Waterways who did not carry out an order of the Reich Commissioner and in spite of this did not hand in his resignation.
M. DEBENEST: What secretary general was this? In which department?
WIMMER: That was the Ministry of Waterways; that was the Ministry that was responsible for canals, reclaimed land, highways, inland waterways, and so forth.
M. DEBENEST: Is that the only case that you knew of?
WIMMER: That is the only case of which I knew.
M. DEBENEST: In what year was that?
WIMMER: That, I believe—one moment—at any rate, that was in 1944; in the summer, I believe.
M. DEBENEST: Do you not remember the dismissal of the Secretary General for National Defense, Mr. Ringeling?