THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): And with whom else from the Foreign Office?
VON NEURATH: No one, for Hitler had laid down the condition that silence should be preserved about all these meetings; and for that reason I did not speak with my officials about them. They knew nothing. They had learned nothing from the military men, either.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Did you speak to the Defendant Von Papen when you saw him next?
VON NEURATH: No. I believe I did not see him at all at that time.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): And did you discuss it with anybody else before your resignation?
VON NEURATH: No.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Now, I have only one other question. You recognized, did you not, that Himmler would use methods which you would not approve of; is that right?
VON NEURATH: Yes, but only gradually; that could not have been foreseen from the beginning.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): That is just what I wanted to know. When did you first realize that? When did you first begin, just as well as you could tell? About when did you realize what sort of man Himmler was?
VON NEURATH: That was very difficult to recognize, because Himmler had two faces; he was a perfect Janus; one could not see immediately what his real thoughts were at all.