THE PRESIDENT: Where were you captured?
KEMPKA: I was captured at Berchtesgaden.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): How near were you to the tank when it exploded?
KEMPKA: I estimate 3 to 4 meters.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): And how near was Bormann to the tank when it exploded?
KEMPKA: I assume that he was holding on to it with one hand.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Well, you say you assume it. Did you see him or did you not see him?
KEMPKA: I did not see him on the tank itself. But to keep pace with the tank I had done the same thing and had held on to the tank at the back.
THE TRIBUNAL (Mr. Biddle): Did you see Bormann trying to get on the tank just before the explosion?
KEMPKA: No, I did not see that. I did not see any effort on Bormann’s part which indicated that he wanted to climb onto the tank.