The voluntary attitude which an inmate adopts and with which an inmate makes himself available is a relatively voluntary agreement. I don’t think it would be the same if one were to receive a voluntary agreement from people who are present here. One has to consider the nature of the voluntary agreement. In my opinion, this round figure of eight hundred speaks against the voluntary agreement of all. I would assume that if it was seven hundred and thirty-five or seven hundred and forty, it would be different, but the round figure of eight hundred seems to indicate that there was a certain order for the experiment before the beginning of the experiment, and these experiments, too, were directed from the point of view of a superior state interest, and this superior state interest, at the same time, takes over the responsibility for the result of the experiment with reference to the experimental subject. For responsibility in a medical sense cannot be assumed at all since even a negative series of experiments speaks against the urgency and necessity of these experiments; and particularly when answering the question about voluntary or involuntary, dangerous or nondangerous natures, it is very difficult and almost impossible to say basically with reference to experiments that experiments on human beings, taking all these things into consideration, are a crime or are not a crime. The question can only be judged when over and above the expected result experiments are still continued. If a result has been established and further experiments on human beings are then carried out, they are not important, and the experiment which is not important is only a dilettante experiment. In that case I would from the start assume the word “criminal,” but when dealing with important experiments, it is necessary to take into consideration all the circumstances which played a part at that time; that is to say, the important experiments, from the moment a result is achieved, become unimportant. From that moment on, in my opinion, the experiment is criminal. Therefore, that when speaking about human experiments at all, one must put the results at the disposal of the state—not only to one state but internationally—so that experiments which are carried out in Russia and which had shown results would not be continued in other countries.
With reference to freezing experiments, I can only say that in a certain form, without saying “criminal” or “not criminal,” they showed their value. The indication for that is that the results in the American Air Force were considered as something extraordinary and helped the American Air Force to gain years, and I think that these experiments would also be of use in mines, where a number of fatalities occur because of freezing. If you consider the freezing experiments in that light, the victims in effect are tragic and are to be regretted, but with reference to subsequent periods these victims are a real sacrifice, for hundreds, or maybe thousands of people might save or prolong their lives because of it.
Q. Dr. Brandt, is it not true that in any military organization, even one of an authoritarian state, there comes a point beyond which the officer receiving an order subjects himself to individual responsibility, at least in the eyes of civilized society, for carrying out any military orders, particularly if the order is unlawful or transcends the limit of extreme military necessity?
A. There was a general law stating that an officer does not have to carry out an order which he realizes is a crime, but the question with reference to these various experiments is whether the man concerned can realize that what he is doing is a crime. If he can realize it, then, in my opinion, he cannot comply with the order.
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CROSS-EXAMINATION
Mr. McHaney: And you suggested and asked him [defendant Mrugowsky] to carry out experiments with Copenhagen vaccine in the typhus experiments in Buchenwald, didn’t you?