Q. You estimate there were between two or three million who were German nationals?

A. Roughly, yes.

Q. Now with two or three million German Jews amalgamated into the German population of eighty-five million people who were German nationals, explain, if you will, to the Tribunal why it was that the German Jews were excluded from the Euthanasia Program, if as you say it was a salutary program according to people the privilege of a mercy death for taking them out of their misery; why was it that the German Jews were not included in that program?

A. I have already stated that. As Bouhler explained it, the blessing of euthanasia should be granted only to Germans.

Q. I understand that, but I thought you said at that time there were between two and three million Germans in Germany, German citizens who were Jews?

A. Yes. That is so.

Q. Why were they not included in the program, if the privilege of the program was going to be accorded to all Germans?

A. The reason possibly lies in the fact that the government did not want to grant this philanthropic act to the Jews.

Q. They wanted to grant this philanthropic act to all Aryan Germans, but did not want to grant it to German Jews, and they did not want to grant this philanthropic act to German soldiers of the first war, who had received mental injuries growing out of their war wounds. Is that correct?

A. As I have already said, that was a great inconsistency in this procedure and we often protested. However, it was determined by considerations of a military and psychological nature.