A. Yes.
Q. On your orders?
A. Yes, one might say that. We discussed it, and I considered it the thing to do.
Q. Now, why should he suddenly leave the Party since he had been sent into the Party with the definite purpose of getting information?
A. He had found out what he was to find out, the nature and the make-up, especially of the youth organization. It was just as inferior as we had thought, and even at that time it was so corrupt that without any further plan—and we had no plan at the time—without any further plan it was not necessary to have him continue.
Q. Now, in the year 1933, Sievers, as the Tribunal has already been told, again joined the NSDAP; was this also done on your behalf?
A. Yes. At that time we were already a thoroughly organized organization. We were already asking for volunteers, who were willing and who were capable of working up in the sense of the Trojan Horse. Sievers seemed suitable, and he was willing.
Q. Were you able to get him any position within the Party?
A. No. I was not able to help him to obtain any position, and in the second place I had no intention of telling the individual persons whom I trusted, in detail, what they were to do.
Q. Then it was up to the skill of the individual to get into a position from which he would be able to carry out the assignment which you gave him?