Q. Please answer the question. Now in these inspections at Kaufering, do you recall any Luftwaffe representatives who inspected these construction sites?
A. That I don’t know. I cannot say. A colonel of the Luftwaffe was there but in his capacity as representative of the armament commando or of an armament office.
Q. Now getting back to this meeting of 19 April 1944, do you recall that Speer was present there?
A. No.
Q. How were your relations with Speer at that time?
A. They were tense. Speer did not regard the Todt Organization as a sort of construction organization. To make a statement, I should have to go into great detail on this subject.
Q. I think that suffices. Now with regard to the recruitment of these fifty thousand Italians, which you discussed with Dr. Bergold, do you recall who was to handle the recruitment of those Italians for work in the Reich?
A. To be sure that I do not make any false statement, is it your concern who recruited the fifty thousand Italians that Hitler approved of?
Q. My concern is through what channel were these Italians that were promised Hitler by Mussolini, through what channels were they recruited?
A. That was to be taken care of by Sauckel, but through the Todt Organization, who had their office in Italy apply to Italian firms ultimately, and that was done through the Todt Organization office in Italy.