Mr. Kernan: "Can you produce Mr. Fraser. We would like to hear his testimony?"
Mr. Norton: "I will."
Mr. Kernan: "Were you concerned in any violence during the strike?"
Mr. Norton: "No."
Mr. Kernan: "Are you an officer of the American Railway Union?"
Mr. Norton: "Yes. I am president of local union No. 193."
Mr. Gompers of the American Federation of Labor was next examined but refused to be sworn. Mr. Gompers went into the labor question in a general way. In reference to strikes, he said that so long as the present industrial and commercial systems last, so long will strikes continue.
George M. Pullman, president of the Pullman company, was now before the commissioners. He submitted a lengthy statement in relation to the town of Pullman, and under examination he told of the increase of the Palace Car company from $1,000,000 to $36,000,000 and the accumulation of a cash surplus of $25,000,000. When questioned concerning the grievance of the employes, he was not so well posted. When asked by Mr. Wright if it was the practice of the company to reduce wages from time to time, he said:
"I am not familiar with the details of the manufacturing department and must refer you to the second vice-president."
Mr. Worthington: "Did you ever express any unwillingness to arbitrate?"