By Mr. Catchings:

Q. How much do you receive from the government for the railway postal cars?—A. We receive certain compensation for cars over a given length.

Q. You stated, I believe, the gross revenue to you for these cars?—A. We have a great many that we do not receive any revenue from the government for their use.

Q. I want to know what your revenue is from the postal cars?—A. I can not tell you.

Q. You can furnish that amount?—A. Yes, sir.

Q. I wish you would furnish this commission a statement showing the gross revenue to your system of road derived from these postal cars; and then I wish you would furnish a statement showing what the cost to you is of maintaining those cars, keeping them in repair, what the estimated cost to you is of hauling them, and the number of cars?—A. I will give you all that you desire so far as I can.

By Mr. Loud:

Q. You stated, Mr Kirkman, that you were Vice-President of the Chicago and Northwestern?—A. Yes, sir.

Q. Are you General Manager?—A. No, sir.