Q. What is that?
A. We did not have the protection we ought to have had, and the steerer then would have to go with the guy and keep the satchel and see the guy on the train, and, after he got on the train, he didn’t care a darn where he went.
Q. And he did not have the facilities as in the turning joint?
A. No, sir; we would not give him the satchel until he got on the train, and would say, “We will give you this at the proper time and place.”
Q. Weren’t you in the habit of giving to the guy keys?
A. No; we generally threw the key away and told him to cut it open; not with the satchel; with the box we gave him keys.
Q. Was there any design in giving the keys with the box?
A. We never gave him the key which fitted the box.
Q. So when they got on the railroad——
A. When a guy gets a box like that there will be some combination on it, and he will get the wrong key, and he don’t know how to get out of it.