A. The second time I came down to New York.
Q. Did you know that he was going to testify too?
A. Terranova told me—
Q. What did he say?
A. "He is going to testify that you were in consultation." Terranova took me from the courthouse here to Dr. Brancato.
Q. That is Nick Terranova?
A. Yes.
Q. What did you do down in Brancato's office?
A. We simply agreed as to what we were going to say; that is the time Dr. Brancato told me "we are up against it."
Q. On the quiet?