Q. Did you know of the existence of what was called the Trainmen's Union?
A. I did not at that time.
Q. Had no knowledge of that?
A. Had no knowledge nor no idea of anything of the kind going on.
Q. Had you talked with the conductors or brakesmen—had intercourse with them?
A. Oh, yes; there was never one of them mentioned anything of the kind to me, nothing of the kind at all. In fact, I don't have as much intercourse with the trainmen on the road as we did formerly when they had no caboose. Of late years they have been running cabooses, and they generally congregate there themselves.
Q. Engineers congregate more on their engine?
A. Yes; all the time train men go back in the caboose.
Q. You have an organization among the engineers?
A. There is an organization existing.