Q. Is that for engineers especially?
A. Especially, yes.
Q. Was there any talk of that kind in that organization that you know of—of striking?
A. Not a particle, not at the time.
Q. During the progress of the depredations or burning on Sunday were you present?
A. I was; I live close by.
Q. What class of men were engaged in active arson and destruction of property—burning?
A. It appears to me the roughest class of people I ever saw. They appeared to be all strangers to me. I was present when the alarm of fire was struck. I was at the corner of Twenty-sixth street, right opposite the round-house, where the soldiers were. I was coming down, I guess it was ten o'clock or near eleven, and the firemen responded to the alarm, and came up Penn avenue a little above my house, and they was stopped by the crowd. They told them they could not go any further. I was across the street. I heard one man say, "I will shoot the horse, and if you undertake to go, I will shoot you." They ran across the street, and came right beside me, and I heard them say they would have them out of there if they would have to burn them out. I just said, said I, "my God, men, don't set anything on fire here, you will burn it all up," and the answer he made was, "Go to hell, you son of a bitch." That was the very words he made use of. I thought the least I could say was the best, as I was by myself.
Q. Were there any railroad men engaged during the day Sunday?
A. I didn't see one railroad man to my knowledge, not an employé of the Pennsylvania railroad.