Senator Smith: You are quite sure you jumped nine feet to get that boat?
Mr. Woolner: That is my estimate. By that time you see we were jumping slightly downward.
Senator Smith: Did you jump out or down?
Mr. Woolner: Both.
Senator Smith: Both out and down?
Mr. Woolner: Slightly down and out.
Senator Smith: It could not have been very far down if the water was on A Deck; it must have been out.
Mr. Woolner: Chiefly out; but it was sufficiently down for us to see just over the edge of the gunwale of the boat.
Senator Smith: You pulled yourself up out of the water?
Mr. Woolner: Yes; and then I hooked my right heel over the gunwale, and by this time Steffanson was standing up and he caught hold of me and lifted me in.