René produced beer and tobacco, made room for Kilner by the fireplace, and carried on the discussion:

“Kurt says women want to feel more than they do.”

“I don’t know about that,” replied Kilner, “but my experience is that they generally feel more than the occasion demands. They won’t leave anything to the future. I don’t think it means anything except that they are not particular. They get so precious little out of men that they grab what they can and let consequences take their chance. I don’t blame them either. They begin by taking love seriously, so seriously that they frighten men and make them run away. I keep clear of that, not because I’m frightened, but because I can’t find a woman who hasn’t been unbalanced by having had some idiot run away from her.”

“That’s like Kurt,” René threw in. “I expect it is because you both have a passion for what you are doing. It gives you a standard. Now I don’t pretend to have a passion for taxi-driving, and I suppose that is why I take seriously things that you two are able to ignore.”

“H’m,” growled Kilner, stretching his long legs. “Not much in that. We’re both keen on something which demands health and nerve and self-confidence, a steady hand and a clear head. We can’t afford to throw our minds and passions into the common stock. I starve. Your friend has the world at his feet. But we’re both outside the world, and have as little truck with it as possible.”

“Both,” said René, “outside the hypnotic circle.” He had to explain that to Kilner, who was excited by the idea.

“I never thought of that,” he said. “Yes, by Jove, it’s true. They are hypnotized, every man Jack of them, rich and poor alike. Nothing can shake it off except the individual will. Every artist has to go through that. And your light, my friend, is nothing but the vision of the artist. Only hypnotism, the absolute surrender of the will, could account for the horrible distortions that appear in what they call art, what they call morality, the organization of what they call society. I know what Fourmy means. The infernal thing is always cropping up in my work. When an artist has seen what he wants to paint, there is always the danger of his being hypnotized by it, and if he doesn’t shake free of that, he is almost bound to paint it badly, however skillful he may be. He may paint a picture that people will like, but he won’t create a work of art.”

“Isn’t it possible for a man to be hypnotized by art?” asked René.

“If he is, he won’t be an artist. I’ve seen students surrender their will one after the other to Raphael, Rembrandt, Manet, Cezanne, not to their love of truth and beauty, but to the masterful skill which their love gave them. If they had surrendered to their love their own wills would have been strengthened, not destroyed. That is always happening: a manner is imitated, mimicked over and over again until at last it is so vilely done, so remote from the original as to have no charm to lead even the stupidest little draughtsman to make a copy. Is it so in life? I don’t know. Much the same, perhaps. Weren’t there imitations of Byron for generations after him? Something vile the brutes could imitate. No one imitated Shelley.”