Senator Sanborn: The Legislature can always say what the fact is presumed to be, and the presumption is that every manufacturer will elect to accept this law. Whether they have or not is a presumption of fact, and we do not have to prove that. In other words, as a matter of course, we presume that every man has elected, but we do not have to say that he has elected.
Chairman Mercer: It seems to me, gentlemen, in the course of these proceedings, that the first thing to be done is to prevent accidents. The second proposition is to compensate the injured for those accidents which you do not prevent. You cannot prevent by penal legislation; you cannot prevent by the assumption of damages of an uncertain quantity, because those things have already been tried and have failed. You can prevent accidents better, I think, by placing a certain, simple and rapid liability upon the industry which both sides shall partially bear, and which will compel both sides to understand that there is a financial risk upon them that will increase their cost absolutely if any accidents occur. I do not think any large proportion of that should be placed upon the laboring man, perhaps not over 15 or 20 per cent.
The laboring man, however, is in a better position to determine whether or not a man is faking; he has his own channels of reaching him. He is in a better position to see that the machinery is protected, and to see that the rules are enforced in the factory, and he is the man who is in a position to see that a fair settlement is made if he has a financial interest in it, and not to say in an off-hand way, "Oh, well, the man has been hurt, give him $50." Besides that, when he has such a proposition as that and feels that it is not a subject of charity, but a business proposition, and a matter in which he has a right to help in the administration of it, he wants to administer it quickly and rapidly. It appears that the European countries which have adopted some such scheme as this have found it to be the most satisfactory. No man will believe that he will be injured in an accident. The moment a man starts in on the proposition of whether he himself is going to be injured, he becomes an unfit subject to ask for employment. He is not in a position to go to the employer and say, "You must guard that wheel," or "protect this machine." But if a situation is devised where one man can go to the other and say: "You are the employer and you must stand five-sixths of the cost of an accident, and we one-sixth, and you must protect these men; here is a man over here that will not live up to the rules, fire him. Here is a man that does not know his business. Do not let him work in this place. We have an interest in this matter. It is costing us money if he injures somebody, and we want these men protected." You can see what a different situation arises.
The employer must take the word of the laboring man for that, because the laboring man is where he can see and know, and the employer is not in a similar position. The result of that is to increase the confidence in the laboring man, to increase the precautions taken to prevent accidents, and to increase the mutual respect and good feeling between the two men, if you place them both where they have a mutual and certain liability.
As to what is a dangerous employment, as to whether or not you should cover some or all, I have no doubt that there is not a man in this country, a farmer, a mechanic, a laboring man, a doctor, a lawyer or any other professional man, but what is perfectly willing to have and desires to have a fair compensation law if he can know just what it is going to cost him, and just what his insurance will cost him, in order to avoid the present uncertainties and evils that flow from existing conditions. The case of domestic servants has been mentioned here. One of our judges in the federal court in our State had a servant break her leg on his back porch last year. He took her to the hospital and took care of her, but would not he rather have been paying three dollars a year for insurance for all the risks that might come to her in that industry? Would not you rather do that yourself? And besides that, from the humane standpoint, would not you rather that the poor girl should be placed in a position where she certainly will receive compensation in case of an accident which perhaps she or any one else could not have avoided, than to have her go on and lose her wages or else you pay them to her?
Then you say you must not go to the farmer. I say to you that I believe that the farmers in this country would welcome such a proposition if they understood it. There is not a man, an employer or a laboring man, who, when you place the proposition before him in any such form as we are discussing it here, would sanction it off-hand. But there is not a man in this country that I have ever seen who has studied this question for any length of time, intelligently and carefully, but what believes that the more nearly you can get every industry into one certain, definite and simple liability the better off you are.
Look at it as a business proposition—and it is a business proposition—it is an insurance risk and it ought to be left in such a way that the liability is direct. The first thing the business man undertakes to consider on this proposition is what will it cost me; can I afford it? Every time you put on a double liability, every time you leave a thing uncertain, you increase the risks to him and the cost to him in his business, and he so understands it, and that is something which you should give consideration. I do not believe there is a labor representative here, I do not believe there is a laborer in this country, who entirely understands the matter, who is mature in his judgment upon it and who has studied it and understands the whole situation, but who would be willing that you should repeal all of the statutory provisions now existing, repeal all of the common law, if you give him something which he knows is not a gold brick. If you simply say you must have this liability, it is not a question of contract, because that still leaves an uncertainty; but if you say, "You will be paid in accordance with a certain percentage of your wages if you have an accident in your business," everybody will then know just exactly where they stand on the proposition, because it is only a question of actuarial calculation to determine what the compensation is, and I think everybody would be willing to accept a law drafted in that form. It will cost the business men more, but the laborer is going to get more out of it, and it is good business for the business men. You cannot tell me, gentlemen, that all of the large financial institutions and corporations of this country that have voluntarily adopted this scheme in the last three years would have done so, if they had not come deliberately to the conclusion that, taking into consideration the humanitarian features of the case, and the mutual relations that exist between the employer and employe, that this is a step which naturally and logically will be profitably adopted in this country, and one of the most hopeful signs in the present economic situation is that labor and capital are dealing together on matters of that sort, and doing away with the strife and friction that has heretofore prevailed between them.
With respect to the theory that should be followed in this legislation, we must understand that both employer and employe must be willing to stand some restrictions. Neither has more interest in its remote consequences than has the State. We cannot keep up the old system and add a new without leaving all the uncertainties and adding the burdens of certainty. We would leave the burdens of cost, the weight of a large part of the injustice, a considerable amount of the delay and most of the prejudicial feelings that now prevail with respect to the worst accidents and their final determination. There is no doubt but that it would be the worst cases where the remedy through the courts would be used in the present system.
Penalties as such, criminal or civil in nature, ought not to be considered in this legislation where it does not rest upon the basis of fault; penalties never tend to good mutual feelings as between the parties. It is no time to stir up strife when both parties are willing to negotiate fairly upon this question. It is no time to heap unusual obligations when the employer and the State are willing to make a fair compulsory system. Neither is it any time to deprive the laborer of fair compensation; but it is the time to place a liability on a fair basis, comparable to the risk and the situation in other countries, and allow a simple, safe, quick remedy that is absolutely certain.
To be certain, we must remove any idea of recovery as a penalty; we must prohibit the bar of recovery by any fault of the employe. Cases in which the employe would directly and voluntarily be at fault are so few that they would cost the employer and the public much less than the defense of the trials if we should undertake to introduce an element of fault as a defense. The theory of workers' compensation is to get away from fault, and it ought to be barred upon that side as well as the other.