Mr. Justice Maule. Very well.
Mr. Serjeant Bompas. He first states he managed all the business. In answer to [Question 10432] he was speaking about the transactions with Africa, he was examined about the Augusta, and Mr. Kidd, he says, “My father knew there was such a man upon the coast, but I did not know even that, though I have managed all this business.”
Mr. Kelly. That relates to a business upon which another insinuation was made, and which has no more to do with it than this.
Mr. Serjeant Bompas. My learned friend assumes that this has no relation to it; he is quite mistaken in that. The question is, what is the meaning of the term, “this business,” it is not the business of the man of the name of Kidd; he says he never heard of him; but the question is, whether it is not the business of the Augusta and the trade with Africa; he says he manages all that business. I submit, if he takes upon himself to say he managed “all this business”—
Mr. Justice Maule. What are the words?
Mr. Serjeant Bompas. “All this business.”
Mr. Justice Maule. I think the fair inference is, that the Mr. Zulueta, who came before the Committee, was the person who knew best about the matter suggested against them relating to the Augusta, and he came to speak to the matter of the Augusta, either solely or among other things; if so, “this business” must mean that.
Mr. Kelly. No, not if your Lordship looks at the context; he comes forward voluntarily, understanding there were charges against his house, not because he knew more about it than any body else, for he knew the least about it, but because he spoke English best. There is nothing from which you can infer in this evidence that Pedro Zulueta knew all that had passed through the house.
Mr. Justice Maule. It is not very satisfactory to select a man who can speak English, but did not know much about the matter.
Mr. Kelly. I mention that in answer to your Lordship’s observation, “that he knew most about the matter.”