“Yes, he is indeed; very intelligent. Style Leo XIII.”

“Men of weight.”

“Yes, but neither of the two had Pius IX’s spirit.” “And the present one? He is a poor creature, eh?”

“I don’t know, I don’t know....”

“And the Society of Jesus, is it on good terms with this Pope?”

“Surely. He is their creation.”

“So that the Society is really powerful?”

“It certainly is! Without a doubt! It has a pleasant rule, and obedience, and knowledge, and money....”

“It has money too, eh?”

“Has it money? More than enough.”