Mr. Stenhouse. It certainly wasn’t.

Mr. Velde. When was this?

Mr. Stenhouse. 1948.

Mr. Velde. At that time then you didn’t actually know whether you were dealing with Chiang Kai-shek forces or the Red forces?

Mr. Stenhouse. At that time, Mr. Congressman, Shanghai was still under the Nationalists, and we dealt with officials of the Nationalist Government.

Mr. Velde. Then you certainly wouldn’t expect them to be Communists.

Mr. Stenhouse. I wouldn’t expect it, but there were many, I suppose—from what I know now—there were Communists in Shanghai at that time.

Mr. Velde. As leaders in the Nationalist Government?

Mr. Stenhouse. Well, the reason why I asked for the definition was we are always running into this problem of what is a Communist.

Mr. Velde. There was nothing wrong in you conferring with Communists at that time; understand that.