Mr. Tavenner. What were the circumstances under which you became acquainted with Lillian Clott?
Mr. O’Connell. As I remember, first of all her husband or ex-husband, Herman Clott, is I think legislative representative here for the International Union of Mine, Mill and Smelter Workers and I knew him and I think through him I was introduced to her. I think she later worked, if I remember correctly, with the United Electrical Workers.
Mr. Tavenner. Yes; and prior to that time didn’t she work in one of the Embassies here in Washington?
Mr. O’Connell. I don’t know. I wouldn’t know whether she did or not. When I came here Mr. Waybur, of course, was identified with, I think he was legislative representative from the United Electrical Workers and I went there lots of times to pick up my check and she was working in the office there, and I think Senator Wheeler’s daughter was also working there, Frances Wheeler, and she introduced me to her.
Mr. Tavenner. Did she do any work at any time for the National Committee To Defeat the Mundt Bill?
Mr. O’Connell. I don’t remember that she did.
Mr. Tavenner. Was Lillian Clott known to you to be a member of the Communist Party?
Mr. O’Connell. I didn’t know that she was or was not.
Mr. Tavenner. Mr. Chairman, I think the record should show that Mary Stalcup Markward in the course of her testimony identified Lillian Clott as a member of the Community Club of the Communist Party in the District of Columbia, and that when called as a witness before this committee in September 1954, in Dayton, Ohio, Lillian Clott refused to testify regarding her alleged Communist Party membership on the ground that to do so might tend to incriminate her.
Mr. Willis. Let’s take an informal recess.