Mr. O’Connell. No. The will established, I think I can explain it, the will established three trusts, one that was called the Robert Marshall Foundation, we were denoted always as the trade-union trust. The second trust was a civil-liberties trust and 5 trustees, not all of the 5 trustees on the trade-union trust, were trustees on the civil-liberties trust. There were 15.
Mr. Tavenner. Were you on both?
Mr. O’Connell. No, I was only on the trade union trust.
Mr. Tavenner. Do you have any knowledge of the payment from this other trust—that is, the civil-liberties trust—of the grant of $20,000 for defense of Remington?
Mr. O’Connell. I know nothing about it except, was that contained in Mr. Dies’ speech? Was that reported——
Mr. Tavenner. No.
Mr. O’Connell. I really personally have no—I am not a member of that civil-liberties trust and I don’t know. There is also a wilderness area trust that is set up in the will and I am not a trustee on that fund either.
Mr. Tavenner. Was the only fund of which you were a trustee the one which provided for the promotion of an economic system in the United States based upon the theory of production for use?
Mr. O’Connell. Which the trustees abandoned and decided to eliminate at the very first meeting of the trustees that was held.
Mr. Tavenner. Let us see the nature of the grants and we can determine more about whether they did actually abandon it or not. How long did this trust continue to operate? How long was it active?