Mr. Fearing referred to the provisions of the ordinance empowering Congress to divide the Territory, from which he inferred that Congress had not the right to divide the Territory so as to form one part of it into a State, while the remaining section was not made a State, without the consent of the Territory; he conceived that Congress must, in such event, form this section also into a State. He, therefore, was of opinion that Congress must consult the people of the Territory before they shall divide the Territory.
As to the expediency of the resolution, he thought it very expedient to make the division therein marked out. The effect of it would be that the whole of Lake Erie would be thrown out of the State to be formed, and the inconvenience to the section of the Territory not incorporated in the new State would be very great, if it should be attached to the Indiana Territory, from its great distance, which he understood was contemplated.
Mr. Giles said that the committee who reported these resolutions, so far from entertaining a disposition to change the ordinance, had strictly observed the conditions therein prescribed. [Mr. G. here quoted the ordinance.] It appeared therefrom that Congress was under an obligation, after laying off one State, to form the remainder into a State. But when? Hereafter, whenever they shall think it expedient to do so.
Mr. Bayard agreed that there was no obligation imposed upon Congress to decide definitively the boundary of a State. If the ultimate right of Congress, after the formation of a new State, to alter the boundary be doubted, they have a right to remove all doubts by so declaring at this time. It is certain that at present great inconvenience would arise from drawing the boundary as fixed in the resolution.
The population of the Territory does not amount to that which is sufficient to give it admission into the Union. He had, however, no disposition to oppose its admission, notwithstanding this circumstance. The population in the Eastern State does not exceed forty-five thousand. We are now about to pare off five or six thousand inhabitants, which will bring it down to thirty-nine thousand. A population of forty-five thousand is quite small enough for an independent State. It is a smaller population than exists in any of the present States in the Union. From this consideration, it might have been expected that Congress would take no step whose effect would be a diminution of that population.
The division, as made in the resolution, is manifestly unjust, as far as it relates to the people north of the dividing line. By it they are about to be severed from their connection with the other portion of the Territory. Mr. B. wished to know to whom they are to be attached? If attached to the Indiana Territory, the inhabitants, to arrive at the seat of Government, will be obliged to go across the new State, a distance of two or three hundred miles. Besides, after having advanced them to the second grade of territorial government, you will consign them back again to the first, and thereby give them a system of government extremely odious, and which we ought to get rid of as soon as possible. Thus, after having held out to them the flattering prospect of being elevated to the high rank of a State, you degrade them, contrary to their expectations, to the humblest condition in the Union. Mr. B., therefore, thought it would be most just and politic to include this population of five or six thousand in the bounds of the new State, subject to the reserved right of Congress to alter the boundary hereafter.
Mr. Giles said he was not tenacious of his opinions; but it was necessary to justify the contents of the report by stating some considerations that might not be generally known to the members of the House.
Mr. G. said he supposed the section of the Territory, not embraced in the new State, would be attached to the Indiana Territory; nor would any great hardship result from this disposition; and such as did result would arise from their local situation and not from any circumstances over which the National Legislature had a controlling power. He believed that people, to reach the seat of Government, had as far to go now as they will then have. His object was to reserve in future to Congress the right of determining the boundary of the States in the Territory. If this section should once be admitted, he believed it would be very difficult, however proper, to detach it from the State to which it had become attached.
The report contemplates the forming a constitution. Should the people on the northwardly side of the line be admitted as a part of the State, they will participate in the formation of the constitution—a constitution which will not be ultimately for themselves, but after a short time exclusively for others. This participation would be unjust. The question then is, whether you will suffer those to form a constitution who are not to be permanently affected by it; and whether, if you once constitute a State, you will be able hereafter to alter its boundaries? For if this section be now admitted, gentlemen, by looking at the map, will see that the boundary now fixed cannot be permanent.