Now, I say, sir, a little more practicable good, and a little less theoretic impulse. Reason and legislate according to the actual state of this description of persons. Place yourselves so as to do the best possible for their good. They are thrown on your mercy. Do not trust to others. You can be most certain this power will not be abused in your own hands. Forfeit—because this is the technical word for getting the control of them, and the only certain way of making them secure of your humanity. But what shall be done with them? That is a subsequent consideration. It is enough for me to know that this House can never do any thing with them which humanity and self-preservation do not dictate. Gentlemen will not pretend that these Africans have more rights by nature than our children. And yet, in every parish, poor children are bound out, without their consent, until they are of age, and of capacity to take care of themselves. These Africans are as helpless, ignorant, and incompetent as such children, and the wisdom of the National Legislature certainly can, and I have no doubt will, devise means to make them useful members of society, without any infringement of the rights of man.
Mr. Macon, (the Speaker.)—I still consider this a commercial question. The laws of nations have nothing more to do with it than the laws of the Turks or the Hindoos. We derive our powers of legislation not from the laws of nations, but from the constitution. If this is not a commercial question, I would thank the gentleman to show what part of the constitution gives us any right to legislate on this subject. It is in vain to talk of turning these creatures loose to cut our throats.
Suppose we leave them as the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Bidwell) has suggested, what will become of them? They will be smuggled in and made slaves. All the arguments which I have yet heard have served to confirm the opinion that a forfeiture is the only effectual mode of prohibition; and though our sincerity has been doubted with an if, yet I believe every member in this House is solicitous to put a complete stop to this nefarious traffic.
Wednesday, December 31.
Importation of Slaves.
The House proceeded to consider the amendments reported by the Committee of the Whole on the twenty-ninth instant, to the bill to prohibit the importation or bringing of slaves into the United States, or the territories thereof, after the 31st of December.
Mr. Sloan was decidedly opposed to the amendment. He was aware that some might charge him with departing from his well-known peaceable principles, in contending for so sanguinary a punishment as death. But many crimes inferior to this were punished with death, and he thought that there ought to be a proportion in these things. Mr. S. stated the hardships of the Africans, and the cruel circumstances attending their importation, and insisted on the magnitude of the crime at considerable length.
After some conversation between Mr. Smilie and the Speaker, on a point of order, Mr. Dana called for a division of the question. The question was accordingly divided, the first being on striking out of the bill so much as inflicts the punishment of death.
Mr. Ely was against striking out. He deemed the crime in question as one of the most heinous kind, and one which ought to be punished capitally. But his principal reason for advocating so severe a punishment was, that he thought it the most effectual method of putting a stop to the trade. The other provisions of the bill were, in his opinion, not sufficient. If the punishment of death was inflicted, he presumed no persons would venture to engage in the trade, and run the risk of being punished, especially, as the traffic is one of the most uncertain and perilous kinds. It is said, if you punish with such severity, none will inform; but will any one venture to run the risk under this impression? Mr. E. thought not. Besides, this is the most humane punishment, because it will most effectually prevent the accumulation of miseries that result from the trade. It will, also, remove all the difficulties on the subject of forfeiture, by preventing the introduction of slaves.
Mr. Tallmadge said he considered the question before the House to be, whether we should strike out that part of the section which attaches the crime of felony to this nefarious traffic, and, of course, annexes to it the punishment of death. He trusted the House would not consent to strike out that clause of the bill, the retention of which should receive his hearty support.