Mrs. Ford. She was telling me a lot of times, she was telling me about her mother, the mother didn't want to show affection to Marina or something like that because the father was jealous of that affection, and I think he did some sort of a cruel thing to her once that she doesn't—she still remembers as being very cruel, something of accusing her of taking some family silver and selling it while she knows that he had pawned the silver for buying liquor, because it showed up, she couldn't explain it to her aunt and it just made her feel very bad at that time.
I think she just could never forgive him for that.
Mr. Liebeler. Did Marina tell you about her move to Minsk?
Mrs. Ford. Well, she didn't tell me at that time. I just found it out not too long ago that was the reasons she wanted to get away from a friend that she found out later that he was married, she went with him for a short while she did not know he was married, but she did not go into particulars of explaining the whole thing to me.
Representative Ford. She was going with a man who was married?
Mrs. Ford. Yes. She met him somewhere, she had two tickets, she said, to a theater or to a movie, and she wanted to sell one ticket and he was the person who bought the ticket and they sat together in a movie house and later on, I believe, I don't know how they got to know each other later on, it was a few times they met, they have seen each other and at one time she went to his apartment, to the house that he lived, to call on him, and someone said that, "oh, that is the man who has that little boy," and she said she just turned around and went home. That is the time she found out he was married and was deceiving her.
But I don't know why she left, I mean why, exactly she left but I think this is the person that was her reason for leaving Leningrad.
Mr. Liebeler. Did she tell you that she had left in part at least to get away from this man?
Mrs. Ford. That is what I understood.
Mr. Liebeler. Now, did Marina tell you why she married Lee Oswald when she was in Russia, did she talk to you about that?