Mr. Liebeler. When Marina lived with you during that time did she tell you anything about her background in Russia, did she tell you about her birthplace and youth in Russia?

Mrs. Ford. Yes; she was going into more of that in talking with me more than anything else, I think. Actually most of the time she was talking about her friends during, I think about when she was going to school, about her boy friends and things she was talking to me about her friends and she did go into talk about when she lived in, let's see, it is not Ukraine, I think it is Bessarabia, right now where would that place be, to live there, and she was very young, I believe, let's see she was born during the war, and they were sent somewhere, I don't know where they were sent, but then she lived there in Bessarabia for a few years, because there was a lot of food there and vegetables and they were sent there, to feed, like they sent the cattle to be fed up, I believe that is the expression she used after the war where the children could eat a lot of fruit and then she returned to Leningrad, I believe.

I don't know how long she lived in Bessarabia.

Mr. Liebeler. What did she tell you about her life in Leningrad, just briefly, if you will summarize it for us.

Mrs. Ford. Well, really, I don't know—the only thing I knew was about some of the things she was telling me about friends she had there, she had a friend that was a medical student and she told me she talked a lot on the telephone to him, and she was rather, I thought that is where I made the impression to me, it made an impression to me she was immature, she liked to talk to the man for a long time in the evening but she was afraid to be seen with him in the streets, he was ugly, so I thought it was rather strange, you know, and then——

Mr. Liebeler. Did she tell you who she was living with in Leningrad?

Mrs. Ford. Yes; she was living with her stepfather, that is what I remember, living with a stepfather she was telling me.

Mr. Liebeler. Did she tell you about her relations with her stepfather?

Mrs. Ford. Yes; she did. She didn't like him and I think he doesn't like her, either; they never did.

Mr. Liebeler. Did she tell you any reasons why she did not like him?